January 4, 2011 | In: Home School Education

The End for Home Education

This is my response to the end of free home-education in the UK and by extension autonomous parenting, TCS, unschooling, etc. They have won, we have lost. I was deluded to even hope it could be any other way.

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Question by unworthychild: Why would a home school education disqualify someone from being eligible to be a police cadet?
My husband has spent the last five months in an application process to be hired as a police cadet. The station would fund his police academy training and pay him salary to attend. He made the second highest grade on the written exam and aced the physical agility test. He passed his background investigation too.
He attended public school until the 6th grade and was home schooled through 12th grade. He went to college for a few years, was a lab assistant there, but did not get his degree. He also went on a few mission trips, one of which was 6 weeks long. He was put in charge of his own site in a drug ridden ghetto and had people he was in charge of.
He had his board interview yesterday and it was decided that my husband’s homeschooling disqualified him on the basis that he didn’t have enough life experience because of it.

Are you kidding me?

Best answer:

Answer by acemcdonut
Maybe they didn’t like him and decided to simply use the home schooling as an excuse to not say “we don’t like something about him.”

Or if it’s legit, maybe they just feel he’s missing some valuable ability to relate to normal people or indeed teenagers – who cause a lot of crime these days – on that basis.

Know better? Leave your own answer in the comments!

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40 Responses to The End for Home Education

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benjammin420

January 4th, 2011 at 4:00 am

#freeman <3

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 4:43 am

@belle0074 When we started home-educating my mother was a priest in the Church of England, although the decision was motivated primarily by the inadequacy of the school learning system and bullying. Religion was an important part of our lives, but we were never sectarian or illiberal in the way that the media likes to portray Christian home-educators. Later on my family separated itself from the church and converted to atheism.

Thank you for your question, I hope this is helpful :)

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 4:47 am

@belle0074 I was autonomously educated. My family eschewed coercion so that I and my siblings could direct our learning, play, etc. My mother was influenced by the philosophies Taking Children Seriously and Unschooling. TCS stresses the importance of trial and error and finding mutually satisfactory solutions rather than unsatisfactory compromise. Unschooling opposes the rigid hierarchy of total institutions like schools.

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belle0074

January 4th, 2011 at 5:18 am

Just curious. How were you homeschooled? Or why I should say. Was it based on religion ? I’m very new to homeschooling and I’ve enjoyed watching your vidoes. Thank you for caring.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 6:11 am

Yes, it does; people have a remarkable ability to stand up for their rights and in this case it seems to have been effective. Thank you for commenting.

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MystyMary

January 4th, 2011 at 6:37 am

It’s just horrific beyond words – thanks for being a voice for this at least. Needless to say I hope it won’t happen, and am glad to read your words, “the situation is a lot less dire than it was when I posted this video” It’s just got to be.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 6:49 am

@WrittenWordVideos

Thank you; that is very kind of you to say. The conservatives have promised to scrap any of this dreadful anti-home-education legislation. Although I have other reasons for not voting for them I appreciate the motives of the many home-educators that most definitely will and that this is at least one thing to look forward to from a Tory victory. In general the situation is a lot less dire than it was when I posted this video, but things are still uncomfortably uncertain.

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WrittenWordVideos

January 4th, 2011 at 7:41 am

You’re a wonderful example of the benefits of home education. Do you feel any of the political parties would support home education more if they were voted in at the next election? In the meantime we need to put pressure on the government to rethink this.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 7:52 am

Thank you for the recommendations; I will be certain to read these books. And thank you for your comments.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 8:49 am

I have had similar experience in home-educated gatherings; people of all ages and social backgrounds socialising without any trace of prejudice. The only serious problems occur when someone newly out of school joins the groups and even then solutions can be found. It is unfortunate that so many see bullying as an inevitable part of life and not as a solvable problem caused by a broken society. TBC

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 9:49 am

Horrific is an apt word; I could hardly believe the story when I first encountered it and I am usually the last to be surprised by institutional evils. I cannot even imagine the necessary psychology to perpetrate such crimes against the most vulnerable. I can only speculate that people capable of doing dangerous tests on kidnapped children must themselves be victims of some kind of past abuse. It is very worrying. TBC

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 10:48 am

I would not completely equate family and child freedom, but I certainly see the need to empower parents against the state to assure that the young can have liberty; particularly in the current social context in which true youth liberation is unlikely to be accepted. Parents serve a vital and moral role; I agree that disrupting this role would be largely harmful. Bureaucratic institutions almost always prove disastrous as proxy parents. TBC

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 11:23 am

A psychologist who has a very interesting and practically useful viewpoint on one facet of child freedom is Aletha Soulter. Recommended!

Btw, imperfect as it is, mostly I believe family freedom is child freedom. Parents are going to care more about their kids (whether competently or not) than a bunch of bureaucrats. Think about the completely schooled characters in Brave New World for example.

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Yes, abusive behavior is not normal. Its very sad people think it is and treat the symptom (trying to come up with policies that suppress bullying) rather than the cause, unhappy and desperate children.

I remember my first homeschool group beach picnic..about 10 families with their different aged kids who didn’t know each other. The kids all happily mixed and played with no “supervision” other than knowing we were there ready to share experiences and supply assistance, hugs and food.

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

I think there is a saying to the effect that exceptional cases make bad laws. Along those lines..there is an argument to be made against allowing much interference in homeschooling to stop exceptional cases of abuse.

Homeschooler Mary Pride has some interesting things to say in her book, “the Child Abuse Industry”. If you haven’t already.. see cases of Logan Marrs (killed by CPS), Lisa Steinberg (killed by parents, teachers didn’t notice the abuse) and Andrea Yates(homeschooling mom/killer)

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

The orphan HIV story was horrific. I came across it on the net about a year before it broke anywhere, the whistleblower was begging for help getting the story published. So not only was the social service and judicial system not working (they’d actually take custody of the children for “child abuse” if their
guardians refused or revoked consent after seeing the awful side effects) the press wasn’t working either.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

Youth rights certainly have a long way to go. It is always comforting to encounter someone else who believes that children deserve a genuine chance to be happy, protected and free. Thank-you very much for your comments.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

I have heard about the poor laws in NYS, it is reassuring that many of you manage to home-educate irrespective of this oppression. I recall watching a documentary on NYC in which it was shown that the social services there were supporting tests using experimental drugs on orphans with HIV. If possible it seems to be one of the few places in the developed world worse at protecting children than the UK. TBC

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Indeed; in the UK (according to the BBC) 71% of pupils admit to bullying and government advisors warn of a bullying epidemic. The word ‘bullying’ has become a euphemism for all abuse pupils direct against one another. And when you have an environment that is so abusive the majority of children are becoming abusers you know something is horrifically wrong. To then fabricate charges against innocent home-educators is so repugnant I find myself stunned. TBC

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

@givebirthathome I hope your new English requirements are not too much more draconian than our undesirable but survivable NYS laws. If they are, hopefully you can organize to have them modified.

How sad these abuse arguments are being made. School itself IS abuse per se, and then there is all the rape, bullying and even murder that go on in schools.

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

Well, we all got the hang of how to do it, and it was hardly time consuming (and the working class parents did OK with it too),
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although it did not preclude unschooling–we would write up things like “community activities” as curriculum..it did force this awkward furtiveness, and some compromise. Nevertheless, even under these less than awesome circumstances the kids were much happier, inquisitive, sociable etc. than the schooled.

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givebirthathome

January 4th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

I homeschooled/unschooled in New York State in the US, which has the almost the worst homeschooling laws in the US.
The most ridiculous was that we had to send in attendance forms : ) That didn’t really turn out to interfere with much.

However, standardized testing requirements and requirements that children “make an academic years progress” and the *requirement* to send in not only proposed curriculum but a curriculum divided into set
required subjects…it interfered.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

Indeed they do, thanks for your support :)

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MissElisePlease

January 4th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

I’m home schooled and don’t really mind for my self about the rules cos I am starting school anyway, but they suck for other people.

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RowanFortuneWood

January 4th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

That is reassuring. And even conceding that I am currently pessimistic I believe that regardless of what the government (or any other group attacking home-education) tries, as long as some people believe in their rights there is plenty to be hopeful about.

Thanks for commenting and for the subscription.

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BikeQuestTouring

January 4th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

Great stuff! Our education system really needs an education overhaul tribe.

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SugartownMusicLand

January 4th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

I’m a teacher and I couldn’t agree with Godin more.

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QakiBoP

January 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

it is no conspiracy, it is plain concrete thinking.

Who get rich out of the schoolbusiness? What kind of results the students get? How many money goes into the schoolsystem? plain and easy… you should buy a computer, pay 4 years of internet and start becoming a webentrepeneur. Ech 6 months starting a new business and after 5-10 business you will created a network of business people and if you still fail in entrepeneurship. You already have skills of business/webdeveloping/productiviysales

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3e6567pw

January 4th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

@marttysebastian Good point. If this was said by anyone other than Seth Godin I would agree with you, but Seth is a well respected intellectual.

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January 4th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

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marttysebastian

January 4th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

You start with a conspiracy disclaimer and then proceed with a historically uninformed and outlandish explanation about education in the U.S. Balderdash.

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HollywoodSheen

January 4th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Amen Seth. This guy’s a genius and speaks the truth.

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carenrich

January 4th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

Outlier teachers use “invisible service” to have artists create themselves in a public school system.

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klausibaba6

January 4th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Thanks for this vid, cool

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SpamAnn

January 5th, 2011 at 12:26 am

great video.

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buckinsand

January 5th, 2011 at 1:13 am

Sorry but most of this is NOT new. Godin’s argument has been promoted by a good number of “liberal arts” instructors for at least a few decades now (as long as I’ve been an educator). It was and still is the argument for promoting study in the “humanities” and more specifically the visual and performing arts. Don’t get me wrong.. I’m glad Godin is promoting it.. but it might help to check into why others have not been successful in the past and perhaps help identify how “now” is any different.

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nelliemuller

January 5th, 2011 at 1:16 am

This is absolutely fantastic!!!

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davzap

January 5th, 2011 at 2:10 am

Excellent!

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bsimi143

January 5th, 2011 at 2:19 am

Its like the audio version of ‘Linchpin’
I love it !

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soultravelers3

January 5th, 2011 at 2:21 am

This is fantastic!! So true! Thank you so much!

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